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I4D - The stolen weapon of Grom, ATU 1148B.




15 Myths, Legends and Folktales
15 Unique Narratives for Motif I4D
12 Cultures & Traditions where I4D is told
18 Mythemes Indexed
7 Sub-Motifs of Motif I4D


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Summary of Motif

An enemy steals a weapon (usually a musical instrument) used by the thunder god to summon a storm. The thunder god or his assistant comes unrecognised to the thief, takes possession of his weapon and kills his enemies.

Berezkin category: Supernatural objects, objects and creatures

This is of motif type Adventures and tricks and is part group 10, Adventures


I4 has 7 other sub-motifs


I4.  When a vehicle moves across the sky, thunder rumbles.
I4a.  Thunder falls to earth and cannot rise. Usually, a person helps it return to the sky.
I4b.  A person helps thunder defeat the enemy.
I4c.  The enemy of the thunderer temporarily defeats and captures him.
I4d.  An enemy steals a weapon (usually a musical instrument) used by the thunder god to summon a storm. The thunder god or his assistant comes unrecognised to the thief, takes possession of his weapon and kills his enemies.
I4d1.  An enemy steals the tendons (heart and eyes) of a thunder god, who returns them and prevails over his enemy. Cf. motif L57A, "The hero's companion returns his organ."
I4e.  An anthropomorphic deity (associated with thunder and rain) rides on a cloud or a cloud.
I4F.  The hero and his opponent engage in single combat and are still fighting in the sky. This is thunder.

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Top 10 Motifs with similar dispersal patterns

MotifSimilarityMotif Summary
A32M100.00%The moon is called the "Gypsy sun".
A35B100.00%The character tries to cover the moon with resin (so that it shines less brightly).
B123100.00%A fly lands on the chest of the crucified Jesus. His persecutors, who intended to drive a nail into his heart, do not do so, believing that the nail has already been driven in.
B124100.00%Ever since a piece of flesh was torn from a person's foot, a hollow has formed between the toe and the heel.
B49B100.00%In the past, cows had more teats on their udders than they do now.
C32100.00%Demonic characters will make a ship out of nail clippings.
F101100.00%With the help of magic, a rival or the spouse's mother tries to prevent a woman from giving birth.
F57100.00%A girl or her father (rarely: mother) picks a plant (usually a flower) and as a result encounters a character with a non-human appearance and/or inhabiting the underworld. The girl becomes the character's wife. In some cases, the picked plant is the character's hair, but more often there is no direct association of this kind.
F87B100.00%A snake crawls onto the clothes of a bathing girl, climbs down in exchange for a promise to marry him, and takes her to the underwater world. She is happy there and gives birth to children. Together with them, she visits her relatives. They call the snake out of the water and kill it. After that, the wife transforms her children and/or herself into plants.
H52A100.00%Returning from the land of immortality, a person must not touch the ground. However, he dismounts from his horse to help an old man (old woman). Death, who has taken the form of an old man, immediately kills him. Rarely: at the last moment, the hero decides not to perform actions that are fatal for him.

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This motif has been recorded in 12 traditions: Ancient Greece, Lithuanians, Latvians, Livonians, Estonians, Finns, Karelians, Norwegians, Swedes, Danes, Danish, Scandinavians: early written sources ("Edda"; Saxo Grammaticus etc.); Gothland picture stones; Ancient Germans (Late Bronze Age in Scandinavia), Faroe Islands


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